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We are already sliding into the next cold ice age.
#1
What!

Impossible,because we live in a warming world,where there is a recovery ongoing from the Little Ice Age.Where the temperature has increased by around 1 degree F.

I know that,

but you fail to see the bigger picture,since it is not the last 150 years we should be looking at.But the ENTIRE interglacial period where we can get a true sense of what the over all climate temperature trend is coming to,and to see if there is a dominant trend visible over the time period of 10,000 years or so.

It seems that only one branch of climate science looks at the whole picture and they are the GEOLOGISTS.It is interesting that they were the original climate scientists until the 1970's when people with Physics degrees began to elbow their way in and now we see the damage being done.They are also the only ones who seem to notice this ominous long term trend,while so many other climatologists by other branches of science are trying to sweat out details over an overrated trace gas or two.

For the last few years I keep wondering why so few people (and that includes scientists) realize that our climate has been cooling for THOUSANDS of years now.A cooling trend that is beyond personal experience since we do not live long enough to see the dominant trend.But Geologists have long noticed it through research.

I have known for over 15 years about this fact that we are living in a climate that has a dominant cooling trend in it,and that it began thousands of years ago.It was not that hard to find that since Geologists have long known this and reported it.Yet in this "information" age,it seems that the public at large are unaware of it,and with the criminal hysteria of an invented AGW hypothesis swirling around the world.And therefore are being kept in the dark of this proven fact,that we are in a long term cooling trend.

The long term cooling goes unnoticed in favor of a warming that can not last for long,due to the built in climatic factors of a known 100,000 year cycle,with 90,000 years of deep cold and ice to 10,000 of warm interglacial.It has now been 10,000 years and with an undeniable dominant cooling trend of thousands of years observable.It is clear that the 100,000 year cycle is still in place and operating on schedule.

In the 10,000+ years of this interglacial epoch,there have been alternating periods of very warm and cold climate trends,that usually last a few centuries for each trend.The warmest warm period was the FIRST one nearly 10,000 years ago and also lasted the longest of all the warm periods thus far in the present Interglacial period.

That alone shows that we are in a long term cooling trend,this present warm period will not change that trend,even if it last 500 years because the forces that has made the cooling trend dominant for thousands of years are still in place.

This chart here beautifully shows the long term cooling trend.I got this from JoNova blog:

[Image: Gisp-ice-10000-r..png]

That was for GREENLAND.The cooling trend is now over 6,500 years long.

This chart for ANTARCTICA shows a cooling trend of about 5,500 years:

[Image: vostok-last-12000-years-web.gif]

It is funny when people exhibit deep fear of a trace gas (CO2) that supposedly causes a lot of warming from a tiny increase of it the atmosphere,where it is still a trace gas at about 385 parts per MILLION by volume (ppmv),after rising for at least 120 years.That they fail to realize that CO2 has never been shown to CAUSE a cooling trend that is now over 5,000 years running by trend.

People,I think it is the near future COOLING trend that we would be worried about and prepare for.

We should be very worried.We should be dropping this absurd warming fear and prepare for the inevitable cool down,that I believe is very near.The Little Ice Age may have been an aborted/failed plunge into the 90,000 year COLD part of the cycle.

We may not be lucky next time.
It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies.

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#2
Think of a way to sell it to politicians first,
then people will "believe" it.

Don't use facts to sell it though,
use new ways to tax and control,
apparently that works quite well.....

To be less cynical though SST, I do share your fears.
To the best of my limited understanding as we have said before was / is
100 to 125,000 year long ice ages, and 12 to 18,000 year long interglacials.
Either way, we are due the next ice age about now, for whatever reason,
regardless of a few trace gases, we may or may not be effecting..

But still our governments plan only for warming. Angry

NB -I added a playlist to my You Tube channel playlists, starting with a 3 part documentary regarding this subject,
then I brought it upto date. Some of the names / facts / tactics stay exactly the same...
I had a bit of fun compiling this playlist..
http://www.youtube.com/user/Weiun#p/c/FF...ndHwW8psR8
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety)
by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken.  

The hobgoblins have to be imaginary so that
"they" can offer their solutions, not THE solutions.
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#3
That is bad news because it is very difficult to find "long john" underwear here in Florida.

Seriously, long term, we should be preparing for the time when we have more people to feed and less land area where we can grow crops.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!


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#4
Old facts and figures, processes that can't be proven or disproven, seem to be scientist's only remaining sanctuary. Bogus scientific educated guesses that scare gullible people should be thoroughly investigated by scientists with no hidden agendas to protect. even if it means kicking out the kooky ones and starting all over again.

ricksfolly
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(02-19-2010, 01:51 PM)ricksfolly Wrote: Old facts and figures, processes that can't be proven or disproven, seem to be scientist's only remaining sanctuary. Bogus scientific educated guesses that scare gullible people should be thoroughly investigated by scientists with no hidden agendas to protect. even if it means kicking out the kooky ones and starting all over again.

ricksfolly

The two charts does have error ranges in them,but the main point of the two charts stands.

There is a long term cooling trend going on.

I agree that there are poor science researching going on and normally they would long have been bypassed by obvious better published research except for the political supporters of the same shoddy research.Those termites are the reason why a cottage industry of deceit and lies that get a lot $$$.

That is why they are still damaging science today.

The cure is to somehow marginalize those people who interfere with the general process of the scientific method.That create publication of good science research,that creates additional research among other scientists,who then can generate even more good papers,and so on.

The way it is now,we have a small group of politically compromised researchers publishing fabricated papers to support a predetermined belief in the absurd AGW hypothesis.Such a research circle can only exist as long as they have key players enabling their behavior.

That is now coming to an end,thankfully.

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It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies.

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