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The need to promote geo-engineering to stop AGW
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Part of proper research is the introduction of non natural elements into a region to observe the outcome. History has provided evidence of the outcomes from those real world experiments. The issue is how to weigh the benefits against the detriments without risking runaway effects that are worse than the imagined problem.
I think seeing how we have a Virtual CO2 problem we need to find a Virtual solution by imputing ideas into a computer to see the results. When the desired results are achieved in the computer model then success can be claimed  and all that would be needed is to update the computer model in the future to fight the Virtual effects of a virtual problem. :exclaim:
Is that not what they did to show the success of the Montreal Protocol fighting the Ozone Hole :o
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[quote author=Richard S Courtney link=topic=183.msg2146#msg2146 date=1257248746]
Questioning Climate:

Thankyou for that information, but there seems to be a significant difference between their stated position and my position.

I think the otion of reearching the geo-egineering is an option which is a useful political ploy to escape from the AGW-scare.  And I cannot foresee there ever being a need to use it.

The IOP seem to want to develop the geo-engineering for use.  However, that is their stated reason, and it is possible that they have the same motivation as myself.

I hope to God that nobody intend to research it with an intent to use it.

Regards

Richard
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My main concern is that Environmentalists will try to co-opt it when that time comes,to make a transition from from their woe is mother earth message,to let's love mother earth back to health,to continue their eco racket.
It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies.

–William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1952
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[quote author=Mike Davis link=topic=183.msg2160#msg2160 date=1257352542]
Part of proper research is the introduction of non natural elements into a region to observe the outcome. History has provided evidence of the outcomes from those real world experiments. The issue is how to weigh the benefits against the detriments without risking runaway effects that are worse than the imagined problem.
I think seeing how we have a Virtual CO2 problem we need to find a Virtual solution by imputing ideas into a computer to see the results. When the desired results are achieved in the computer model then success can be claimed  and all that would be needed is to update the computer model in the future to fight the Virtual effects of a virtual problem. :exclaim:
Is that not what they did to show the success of the Montreal Protocol fighting the Ozone Hole :o
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He he,

you sure have a way of looking at things differently,and I like it.

Virtual reality versus empirical reality?,

hmmm......
It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies.

–William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1952
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[quote author=Questioning_Climate link=topic=183.msg2145#msg2145 date=1257238318]
For those here interested in Geo-Engineering, the IOP have a dedicated website for the topic.  I received this notification today:

Quote:As a researcher with an interest in the field, I'd like to bring to your
attention to the new Geoengineering page on environmentalresearchweb, which
brings you all the latest advances in research, ethics and policy in this
controversial area.

Conveniently bringing together all environmentalresearchweb's content on the
topic in one easy-to-access location, the Geoengineering community page is
already proving popular. The latest news article reports on research that
suggests that small-scale geoengineering projects will be the least risky. Damon
Matthews of Concordia University, Canada, comes to this conclusion by drawing
parallels with biological interventions such as the introduction of the cane
toad to Australia to keep cane beetle numbers in check. The original research
paper is published in the ERL Focus Issue on Geoengineering - you can access
other papers in the Focus Issue directly from the Geoengineering community page.

CLICK HERE TO VISIT GEOENGINEERING COMMUNITY PAGE
http://herald.iop.org/erwgeoengineering/.../link/3027

For more information and additional articles from environmentalresearchweb,
visit the homepage http://herald.iop.org/erwhomepage/m296/zea//link/2967.


With best wishes,

Liz Kalaugher, Editor
environmentalresearchweb.org
IOP Publishing
info@environmentalresearchweb.org
environmentalresearchweb.org


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What use is implementing geo-engineering programs,when the "problem" they are fighting against is still exceptionally low as compared  to the levels seen in the last 300 million years?

Why the rush to fight a phantom?
It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies.

–William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1952
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