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[Derek]

Hi All,
SST, I doubt I am not the only one that finds what you report above as both very familiar, and very saddening.
Elsewhere I remember reading a post by someone who's name I forget at present that effectly said,
The subject of global warming has become so polarised and political rather than truth based that
I have lost, and will continue to loose friends and family over it.

It is a sad scenario many of us here and elsewhere will know only too well.
In my own family I have been described by different members as,
" against any orthodoxy "
" genius "
" right wing "
" eccentric "
" political rather than scientific "
" your in denial of the science "
" preaching "
" facist "
" just wrong "
etc, etc, etc.

Some of the above are complimentary, some insulting, and some none committal.
I am lucky to have such a wide range of views within my family,
I doubt many are as lucky.

Over Xmas I watched some of the animated cartoon Happy Feet,
http://www2.warnerbros.com/happyfeet/
in that there is a major scene where the father and son have a massive arguement,
including the mother, it ends with the son leaving the colony.

I have had that arguement in a nearly word perfect "repetition" with my father of that very scene,
several times now.

[Sunsettommy]

WOW!

Well then I am fortunate that my brothers have not been calling me names over it,even the brother who guest posted here,has not done that.

He is simply too timid to discuss it,and has used any excuse to leave a discussion quickly as you saw so vividly here.It is in my opinion indicative of his lack of confidence in his AGW beliefs,and that he knows I have been on this topic for many years.

I have been irritated with the guest poster in the past,because he has shown a bad habit of using a lot fallacious arguments,such as:

The argument from authority,
Consensus claims,

among his most popular ones.

Someday he will regain this idea of a "scientific method" and realize that the AGW hypothesis utterly fails it.

[Derek]

My family is "used" to talking things over, even if they get a bit heated..
What I forgot to mention is that at least one fervent supporter of AGW has completely changed "sides" from our discussions.

So, I have 35 left to go...
Not neccesarily all family though...........